" Christopher Tolkien, The Fall of Gondolin "The early conception of the Balrogs makes them less terrible, and certainly more destructible, than they afterwards became. The Balrogs of the very early version of The Fall of Gondolin were not the Balrogs that Tolkien envisioned decades later. but in my opinion, a better comparison (that avoids such questions) to other warriors would include what Túrin did in his "regular" life - which still gives him a notable place as far as bravery and warrior type deeds go. In other words, why would a Mannish Myth arise in which Túrin is slain by Morgoth at the end of time? I'd think that would rather be a myth that arises among the "bad guys" who believe Morgoth will prevail over Túrin.Īnd yes, you could still consider him "Túrin" in any case, and he might have been exactly the same after returning from an ineffable existence, and thus could possibly be killed by Ancalagon but still defeated him anyway. it's a myth that arises so that Túrin will win. Is Túrin returned from the dead the same being in all ways? We can argue that his return has to be an act of Eru, and for all we know, Túrin had become "something more" and could not lose, no matter what.Īnd if there is a Mannish Myth that claims Túrin comes back from the dead to slay Morgoth, I'd say of course a myth about the future will have Túrin win.
You're mixing an older idea with a newer one here - which adds up to inventing something Tolkien never wrote.ī) In my opinion we don't know for a fact that Túrin killed Morgoth in an End of Time scenario, given that the prophecy of Andreth at least arguably puts the older idea in doubt - and again, the End of Time scenario at the end of QS had become a Mannish Myth in any case, as the Second Prophecy of Mandos was rejected.Ĭ) Even if Tolkien retained one or both ideas, I myself do not think that the slaying of Ancalagon, for example, should necessarily be counted in a comparison to feats of martial prowess with other beings who were not sent back by Eru.
I just think certain things on this list need not be as straightforward as you seem to be presenting them.Ī) Túrin did not kill Ancalagon with help from Earendil.
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